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4/23/2009 5:34:40 PM
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When our female Miniature Schnauzer was in heat for one of her first times; our male mounted her, and she was crying. I wasn't home; but my wife; fearing she was in extreme pain; and too young, put them in the shower to separate them. And NOW; I think she traumatized him so badly, that he will have nothing to do with her when she is in heat. That was over three years ago. We want to breed them; but he will not go near her. Yet we have an elderly Maltese/teacup Poodle that he follows around trying to mount. I've tried everything to interest him in her again; but; NO LUCK. What can I do to get him to not be afraid of her? (I assume that it is the problem)
4/24/2009 5:38:53 AM
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Why do you want to breed them?

Serena Galloway
IGCA rescue Colorado

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4/24/2009 10:11:12 AM
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Both of our Miniature Schnauzers are like our kids. And the temperment and habits of both of them; we think; hopefully would be shared by their puppies. And also; Gypsy wants to be a mother so badly. She even carries small stuffed animals around with her and puts them in her bed. She has produced milk previous times. We are not wanting puppies though; to sell them. Although we would give to friends or relatives. We would keep as many though; as we could. Only though, if we are completly assured that they will be treated in a manner other than a possession. My own family would be denied a puppy if I felt that they would not love them and care for them the way I feel that they should.
I appreciate your interest; but at the same time; do you have an answer to my problem?
4/25/2009 9:59:34 PM
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So really what it comes down to, is you have absolutely no clue if your dogs are healthy examples of the breed or not? you just want to breed them because you THINK she wants to be a mother? Have you done any health testing on your dogs? And by that i do not mean going to the vet and having them say they are healthy, i mean genuine health tests, such as CERF, and OFA for patella, hips, elbows...What about heart tests? what genetic diseases are in your breed?

Do you have any idea, how many dogs wind up in shelters? being euthanized, because someone, just like you, thought their dogs were cute, sweet, cuddly and wanted to have puppies?

Go check out petfinder and see just how many dogs of your breed are in rescue right now. Thats just a small percentage.

Your dog does not want to be a mother, she is just have a false pregnancy and going thro the motions that her hormones tell her to. Spay her and it will stop, and she will be much healthier for it.

Serena Galloway
IGCA rescue Colorado

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4/26/2009 7:27:03 PM
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5/1/2009 8:31:23 AM
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I assume you are asking how to be a responsible breeder. :-)

1. Contact a breed club for your breed. Ask for a mentor.
2. STUDY the breed standard. Learn about dog anatomy and ask your mentor to
clarify anything you don't understand.
3. Learn what genetic faults and diseases run in your breed and test for any
that can be tested for.
4. Show your dog in conformation events to see if it is of the proper
quality for breeding. Winning doesn't always mean a dog is breeding quality,
but being around so many others that know your breed and will talk to you
will do wonders for your self-education efforts!
5. Study the past history of great dogs in your breed. You will see how your
breed has improved and progressed since the beginning of the breed.
6. Study the breed standard some more! ;-)
7. Join any Yahoo groups about your breed.
8. Live, dream and study your breed.
9. Get a good book on canine reproduction, and educate yourself about the
pitfalls, problems, and proud moments of breeding. Learn about the
physiology of reproduction, such as heat cycles and venereal diseases in
dogs, potential for problems specific to your breed, and what you need to
expect at whelping.
10. Remember that whelping (giving birth) can kill your female. Being used
as a stud dog can encourage bad behaviors common in intact males such as
territorial marking, aggression, and desire to roam from home.
11. Prepare to be broke. Breeding properly is EXPENSIVE.
12. Line up potential homes for any puppies you produce and write up a
contract. Remember to include that you will be willing to take back your
puppies at any time in their lives that they might need you. If you bring
life into this world, it is your responsibility FOREVER.
13. Prepare to spend sleepless nights attending whelping females, caring for
fading puppies or puppies orphaned, and practice cleaning up after 24/7 poop

I'm sure there are many things I missed because being a responsible breeder
isn't just a job. It's a way of life. You will live dogs. 24/7/365. There
are lots of hard decisions. There is a lot of expense. There will be pain.
But, if you do your darndest to always keep the welfare of your dogs and the
future of any of their offspring, you can go to step 14.

14. Enjoy the love and success of a job well done.

Jennifer Tomlinson
Songbrook Shelties
5/1/2009 10:17:33 AM
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5/7/2009 5:40:32 PM
Posts: 137
Well,, Since you have no idea what stage she was in.. and how to manage a breeding pair of dogs.. he may NEVER breed her at this point.. if you wife "feared" she was too young then why are you even concerned if the male will breed her this heat?

unless you are going to have her heat cycle timed by a vet.. to ensure she is actually in her fertile time.. and go a FORCE breed them by AI.. There is absolutly nothing you can do to make two dogs breed when they want to..if they will not breed naturally then AI is your only option... So if you want a litter SOO badly off to a repo vet first exam around $45.. have a couple of progesterones run.. About 50-75 each need at least 3-4 of them.. arrange a date to have your male collected, evaluated.. another $200+ and the AI on your bitch.. 2-3 at about 100 a visit.. get the idea.. there are plenty of dogs..and dogs that do not breed naturally.. are expensive..

BTW.. despite your language.. that had to be removed.. the previous post where right.. her having milk, and carring around toys. does NOT have any indication of your females "needs" it is a result of natures hormones to ensure she will care for a was a False pregnancy.. and it is actualy pretty common in dogs left intact.. it is actually only because she is "intact" and under the influance of thoes hormones.. not a rational decision she did this..

Geeze.. Act ADULT!!! if you cannot understand or accept that people are REALLY not fond of the "fluffy" must have puppies.. or we just want a litter for family.. GROW UP.. HOW much information is there out there about RESPONSBLE breeding.. HOW many dogs in resuce??

If you are so worried about your dogs mental state and "needs" Think of it this way.. How is she is she supposed to "feel" when she has to sleep somewhere else for weeks.. has to forgo attention by you to raise feed and clean up after her litter? What if she has trouble whelping and the whole litter dies? what if she needs Risky PAINFULL surgery to deliver?
If you are really concerned about her emotioal state.. have her spayed and give her ALL that extra time and attention you seem to have to be able whelp raise, place and care for a litter to her and how about your other dog..