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muddyfeet
3/9/2009 5:14:19 AM
Posts: 137
SO how do you get a breeder(s) who has SOLD dogs at auction removed from this site?? This was a PUBLIC listing and resuce was involved.. so trust me it is not rumor..

Because I know it will be removed I will not say who.. but there are TWO.. listed in a specific breed.. I did e-mail about it.. but they are still listed...

Any thoughts?


Amanda


PinOaksKennel
3/16/2009 3:04:43 PM
Posts: 20
I'm wondering why there are Mini Aussie breeders listed on here with Australian Shepherd breeders also.
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AnkhuIGs
3/16/2009 5:15:49 PM
Posts: 1904
Because Mini Aussies are recognize by some registries. I know UKC is having some kind of discussion about it now, whether it will be accepted as part of the main Aussie or have to break off into its own.

Serena Galloway
IGCA rescue Colorado

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PinOaksKennel
3/18/2009 1:34:31 PM
Posts: 20
Makes sense.......I guess that's the same way the Miniature Bulldog and the Miniature Poodle got started. Not sure I like it, but I guess a new breed has to start somewhere. I would think they would start with the FSS of the AKC, but I don't know the requirements of doing that. Thanks for the reply.
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AnkhuIGs
3/18/2009 6:10:20 PM
Posts: 1904
Miniature Bulldogs are not recognized by any of the "good" registries. APRI, ConKC and ACA to name a few will register a holstein cow as a Dachshund if 3 folks write letters swearing it is a Dachshund. :/

THe process is very long and involved...and takes decades of dedicated work on the part of very determined and responsible breeders.

Even long recognized breeds in other countries, such as the Neo Mastiff, took many years to gain AKC recognition. A breed club has to be formed, and that club has to gain AKC recognition as the national breed club, and THAT, takes alot of time...more than you could imagine in your wildest dreams. You have to get alot of breeders with varying opinions to agree on something..and that is NOT easy! LOL

Then you have to show a certain number of dogs registered in so many states, then you have to gain entry into the Misc class, and actually show there,...even tho you get no points for it.

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

Serena Galloway
IGCA rescue Colorado

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muddyfeet
3/20/2009 12:59:56 PM
Posts: 137
Actually Mini or toy.. they ARE not Australian shepehrds..Not is a size variety not reconized by ASCA or the USASA.. the mini people are "going" for individual unique breed status.. per their own website..they call this a speperate breed.. So acutally have NO buisness in the Australian Shepherd section.. I made a comment on this and I do have to admit Quality dogs DID add a size and mini comment on the breed disciption about this issue...

so you know..UKC actually had rules against registering a Mini or toy variety or use of a name either as part or full of a other established breeed.. This is where the whole "North Amaerican Shepherd" thing came up.. they of couse are starting to change their tune now.. why would this supise anyone.. UKC has no issues taking a copy of a AKC/CKC/ASCA registration applicaion clearly marked not for breeding and issuing a registration paper that is not marked and allowing full breeding rights.. So a owner can get around the issue of not having papers on a litter.. and use a somewhat more reputable registry than the others out there..

As far as AKC reconition..frankly other than some attempts to be a legitimate registry..and the "trappings" that make it look good.. It will not be very long when some of these "rare" breeds or designer dogs become resigtered..heck even if they don't change their rules about no more size or color varities in the groups.. they will figure out a way to include some of these dogs...there is too much potential income..

how do I know.. well in the 80ties despite ASCA the established breed club for aussies NOT seeking recontion.. several attempts by ASCA to prevent this.. USASA was founded by a small number of aussie fanciers..wrote up a standard.. petitioned and aussies are in the herding group after only one year in the misc class.. Oh so you know there was no offical stud book either.. just a bunch of pedigrees collected and submitted..and the original breed registry and club along with its members not to mention a whole lot of KEY dogs are NOT part of the AKC.. now..

So don't fool yourself..lots of "rare" breeds will get AKC reconition.. if a breed can get reconized even when the majority and founding club do not want it..if they cannot meet AKC current rules.. the AKC will make modifications to get them in.. esp if there are a large number of dogs.. it can and will happen.. it already has..

Amanda
PinOaksKennel
3/20/2009 1:32:18 PM
Posts: 20
O.K., not to cause an arguement, but this is what I copied and pasted from UKC's website on the standard for Aussies.

ELIMINATING FAULTS

"(An Eliminating Fault is a Fault serious enough that it eliminates the dog from obtaining any awards in a conformation event.)

Any Australian Shepherd female over six months of age that measures under 17 inches or over 22 inches at the withers must be considered so faulty that it should not receive a placement, regardless of competition. Any Australian Shepherd male over six months of age that measures under 19 inches or over 24 inches at the withers must be considered so faulty that it should not receive a placement, regardless of competition."

So under 17 inches for females and under 19 inches males would make the Mini's and Toy Aussies ineligible to be considered in conformation as Australian Shepherds......so wouldn't they have to be considerd a seperate breed? The standard would have to be changed and I guess they could do that.

I know that Mini's and Toys can compete in ASCA Agility and Obdeience trials ( as can other breeds and mixes)for ASCA points, but not in Conformation. I also know that Mini and Toy Aussies are a sore subject for most Aussie folks, myself included.

Sorry......didn't mean to ramble and I guess this has nothing to do with the subject started in this forum thread.
Scott
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