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nannycharger
2/2/2009 7:45:22 PM
Posts: 11
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I purchased a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel 12/16 from a breeder in Williston FL. After I got home with the precious puppy my vet found she was very sick with a serious infection that I treated for three weeks and she did not improve ($300 in vet bills). I returned her to the breeder and requested a refund which she would not give me. She has the sick dog and the $2000 I paid for her. I can't get any response from her and I returned the puppy Jan 7. Beware!!!!!!!!! The breeder is listed on this web site.

1/5/09 I just received a call from my vet. After checking with breeder's vet my vet was told the breeder's vet has not seen the puppy since the Health Certificate was issues. I do bleieve the breeder OPERATING a PUPPY MILL.
AnkhuIGs
2/2/2009 8:37:32 PM
Posts: 1904
Do you have a contract?

Serena Galloway
IGCA rescue Colorado

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nannycharger
2/3/2009 10:55:42 AM
Posts: 11
Yes I did. The contract was with regard to a congential heart defect with in one year and the puppy would be replaced. Upon vet checkup if worms, etc. was found I would be reimbursed with the medicine cost. She did not reimburse me for these either even though she ask for the vet bills so that she could. I provided everything including test and xray reports (two different sets)to her. My vet told me Florida has a Pet Lemon Law and that since she sold me a sick pup she has no other choice but to refund the $2000 I paid for her. I have paid a lawyer to try and get my refund by sending her a letter on 1/22/09 giving her 20 days to respond. No response yet! I do have two other options open to me and will take the next step in due time. I thought I had seen everything in my life time and thought nothing could shock me, but this surely has. It is umbelievable!!! She will not communicate with me at all.
AnkhuIGs
2/3/2009 12:25:40 PM
Posts: 1904
i am sure her lawyer has advised her to not contact you or respond in any matter.

Since you are using an lawyer, i am sure eventually you will get some kind of settlement.

Serena Galloway
IGCA rescue Colorado

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birdbaby
2/6/2009 11:14:26 AM
Posts: 14
YA THINK?????

Why didn't you get a signed statement from the breeder that you returned the pup? If you don't have a written contract or documentation showing that the breeder is responsible for the vet bill, or for returning your money after you have had the pup for 3 weeks, that breeder is not required to return anything. I'm sorry for you but why didn't you check that breeder out before you bought the pup? And why didn't you have a medical guarantee on the pup prior to purchase? If I paid that much for a pup, you can believe I would have something in writing guaranteeing the health of that pup, and I would have taken it to a vet immediately prior to taking it home to my house. If that pup was so sick after having it such a short period of time, than an initial vet check at 2-3 days would have picked up on it immediately. You said there was a vet check from her, so I'm assuming you had the pup shipped in? The health check from her vet confirms the pup was healthy when it was shipped. That is another point in her favor proving the pup she sold you was healthy. She might be a puppy mill, but it sounds like she's an expert at the way to get away with it.

Sorry for your loss, but I'd be very surprised if you got anything back from her at all.
MichelleOr
2/7/2009 6:52:13 PM
Posts: 2
Hi, Have you contacted this website to get them to remove this person's listing. They claim they only want quality dog breeders and so your complaint should be reported to Quality Dogs.com I am a breeder and would not continue to listing here if I find they are listing irresponsible breeders and ignoring complaints.
AnkhuIGs
2/8/2009 7:04:57 AM
Posts: 1904
Uhmm.....you will find alot of bad breeders listed.

I think its impossible to police, and you have to have a clear definition of "bad" breeder that is understood by everyone.

Because one persons puppymill is another persons "good" breeder, this makes it impossible.

Have to remember that alot of puppymills and plain bad breeders have learned how to talk the talk. They can make listings look reputable, they can make websites look reputable but to the uneducated prospective puppy owner, they look great! They do not see the...EXAMPLE

Mr Dingle Puss, is a Multi Best of Breed Winner!

That looks impressive until you look further and realize, Dingle Puss's show record shows he was shown 5 times, he was BOB 2 times, as the only dog entered, and the other 3 times, 2 he did not even place...and one times the ribbon was witheld...and he was the only dog entered.

When they list off the Champions in a dogs pedigree, and comment about the placement of those dogs in the breed history. Dogs that are 4th generation, as if they themselves did the showing and winning.

Looks impressive until you check and realize that Ch. Windstar Felini, is listed as a bitch on this persons website, when in fact they are a dog....and this is the case with all the Ch's they list off in a pedigree.

On less than stellar and ethical breeder i am aware of, lists every single show entry and placement. EVEN if it is 4th out of 4. Yep...long list and looks impressive, but to someone that knows what they are doing, and checks online show records, you can see its actually a pretty bad show record.

Information about the breed that seems at odds with the over all website. Like...it was written by someone else. Well...chances are good, that it was, and it was plagurized off of a good breeders website, and no credit is being given to the original author. I do not have the url handy but there is a website that you can use to determin how much content on a website actually is original to that website or is something taken off another website.

The list goes on and on and on and on...things that to the general public are impressive, but to those with knowledge they instantly see as fluff, and window dressing for a breeder that is unethical.

Serena Galloway
IGCA rescue Colorado

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nannycharger
2/8/2009 12:22:55 PM
Posts: 11
I had everything you mentioned. She will not have any communication with me. When I returned her to breeder the breeder told me she was taking the pup to her vet within two days and would call me and we would discuss the refund. I never heard from her. She finally pick up on one of my calls to her and she told me again she was taking the pup back to her vet the next week and she would call me. This was two weeks ago. My vet called her vet's office last week to find out what he could about the pup and he was told they had not seen the puppy since the Health Cert was issued. I will have to take her to small claims court before this is over with. The world has all manner of evil people in it. I found one of them. Thanks for your concern.
nannycharger
2/8/2009 12:32:41 PM
Posts: 11
The sad thing is I did not want this dog to show. I always wanted a CKC spaniel because they are the most beautiful dogs I have ever seen. I just retired and had the time (and money) to give the attention I knew she would require. I just wanted to love her not show her. I am not interested in that.
patorama
2/8/2009 12:42:21 PM
Posts: 97
As Serena states defining a bad breeder is difficult as each person has different standards as to what constitutes a good breeder. Conversely, a determination of a bad breeder cannot be made from one disgruntled customer. I'm baffled by this breeder not returning the purchase price but am also curious as to what this 'infection' was that prompted the return. IMO contracts should guarantee the health of a puppy as well as against genetic defects but many many breeders only guarantee health for 72 hours. This creates a problem in that most infections have a 7-10 day incubation period. So a puppy who gets sick a week after arrival most likely did bring the infection from the breeders home. But your most common puppy infections are coccidiosis and giardia- both should be relatively easy to treat. That's why I am curious.

My own contract guarantees general health for 14 days, as well as genetic problems, but if a truly unhappy person has one of my puppies I take it back willingly with refund-even weeks and months later- you do want your puppies in loving homes. And most reputable breeders will do the same. As an aside I once had a puppy returned because it ate rat poison at the new owners house!???? They honestly believed the puppy should have known better.
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