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Retriever__
9/30/2008 2:01:52 AM
Posts: 2
Hi everybody,

I'm looking for a retriever, yet my wife is really anxious about having purebred certificates?
What is it? is it that important?
can't you see on a dog whether he's a purebred or not?
AnkhuIGs
9/30/2008 5:13:44 AM
Posts: 1904
Purebred certificates is not actually a correct term.

What you are referring to, i believe, is a registered Purebred. All purebred registered dogs, should come with a pedigree. A pedigree is a dogs family tree, showing the purebred dogs (of the same breed) in its lineage.

Having registration papers is meaningless unless you have gotten the dog from a responsible breeder, and from one that does not use a puppymill registry. Many puppymill breeders, have their own little registries, which are not recognized by the mainstream registries like the American Kennel Club. So if papers are important, you want to look specfically for breeders that have(if you live in the US) AKC registration. They should NOT offer Continental Kennel Club, or APRI, or UKCI or ACA or any other variety in addition to AKC. This just means they use AKC to camoflage what they really are, Puppymillers.

That is not to say there are NOT puppymill breeders who use the AKC exclusively, because there are many who do.

Reg papers, are only as good as the breeder and the dogs behind them, so papers are the least of your concern when hunting for a good dog. Its much more about finding a responsible, ethical and reputable breeder of whatever breed you are looking for.

it is not always possible to tell if a dog is purebred just by looking at it. You might have a Dachshund that looks like a Dachshund, but its grandsire was a Poodle. Just none of those Poodle traits are visible. There are some breeds that some elements of the breed would instantly tell you this dog is not a purebred, such as Italian Greyhounds, my breed. IF the dog has black/tan points or any brindle patterning, then you KNOW the dog is not purebred as these patterns/colours are not allowed in the breed.

Additionally, you sometimes have mutations within a breed that are not part of the breed standard, such as long coated Rotties or tri coloured Dalmations.

For the breed you are interested in, which is a popular one, your concern should be health testing certificates. I would suggest going to the AKC website at www.akc.org and looking up the National Breed Club informaion for the breed your looking at, and going to that breed club website. Read up on the health problems in the breed, and check for breeder referrals in your area. If you just want a pet, then i would suggest checking out rescue. If your looking for a hunt dog then the National breed club can also help you with that.

Good luck!

Serena Galloway
IGCA rescue Colorado

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pineledge6
9/30/2008 8:26:40 AM
Posts: 22
I agree with AnkhulGs. You don't mention what type of retriever you are looking for (Lab, Golden, Flat-Coated, etc.). Know the breed before getting one and insist on seeing both parents and of course health testing/records. I have met quite a few people who were lied to when purchasing purebreds. One family wanted a purebred lab, bought a pup from a lady who had the mom and arranged a breeding with another owner. Both were AKC registered but mom got out while still in heat (which the owner was well aware of). The pup grew to be as tall as a Great Dane and had a wiry coat with a HUGE white patch on the chest. Definitely NOT a purebred lab. I have also seen purebred, AKC registered labs advertised in our local pet store that were Black and Tan. Labs do not come in black and tan. Apparently the employees at the store mentioned to the breeder that they were not purebreds but she insisted that she has both parents and that she has akc papers on them (probably the same situation as before, mom got out) and this lady didn't care who she lied to. So just be careful, know the breed. As long as you work with a reputable breeder or a breed rescue you shouldn't have any problems.
kendellwaltz
9/30/2008 4:33:08 PM
Posts: 409
I would add that not all breeders have both parents on site. The dam should available for viewing, but the sire may not be. Often the stud dog you have isn't the perfect mate for your bitch, so you have to search for a complimentary dog elsewhere.
Retriever__
10/1/2008 7:24:14 AM
Posts: 2
Hi guys,
First thanks a lot for the great help.
Actually it is a labrador.

Just to make it clear for me: Let's say I got recommendation about a breeder, I need to ask from the breeder to see the dog's "pedigree certificate" AND the the breeder's registry in the AKC?
Or is the dog also related to the AKC in some way (as I understood from the AKC website)?
AnkhuIGs
10/1/2008 1:12:26 PM
Posts: 1904
Here is a link to a website that has a checklist to help you find a responsible breeder.

http://www.dogplay.com/GettingDog/checklist.html

Serena Galloway
IGCA rescue Colorado

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