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bobo
7/22/2008 3:29:09 PM
Posts: 3
I'm 22 and have loved dogs my whole life. Within the last year I've been considering becoming a Yorkie breeder - but not for a few more years at least. I want to learn and experience as much as I can, before making a decision. My roomate is going to school to be a vet (I study with him and read his books) and I'm starting volunteering at the local SPCA in September. I've read pretty much everything I could find online and bought a few books. Is there anything else I should be doing? I'd love to hear from reputable breeders how you got started. I don't know anyone personally and I haven't been able to find much online other then "I've been doing it for X many years"
Thanks for reading! This is my first post so please be nice
AnkhuIGs
7/22/2008 4:22:03 PM
Posts: 1904
Alot of things to consider.

Why do you want to breed yorkies?

What do you know about them?

If your volunteering at a shelter, then you will learn first hand what the Back Yard Breeders, Puppymillers, and uneducated breeders of the world, who all breed for the wrong reasons, are causing.

You want to breed, then first you spend ALOT of time holding dogs while they are put to sleep.....ALOT....of time.

Next you go find the breed club website and discover the genetic diseases that are in yorkies and how very devastating thsoe diseases are not only for the dogs but the owners.

Then you find out exactly how expensive it is to breed a GOOD dog, and breed it correctly. And how many decades it takes to gather up the knowledge to make sound breeding choices.

Once you have done all that, you will discover that breeding dogs is a SERIOUS not for profit adventure, and if you do it, you do it for the right reasons but not for fun, and not for profit. Breeding is to produce a better dog, not more money for a pocket book.

You will also need to learn that breeding dogs is a harsh, hard, unfriendly and unforgiving world for those that do it wrong. You will learn that you ask a question, YOUR going to get answers both very very negative and very very positive. If you cannot handle that, then, you need to reconsider.

IF you have not watched it, you need to go watch the Oprah Winfrey special on PuppyMills....it will open your eyes wide.

Good luck.

Serena Galloway
IGCA rescue Colorado

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bobo
7/22/2008 6:22:49 PM
Posts: 3
That's kind of the response I expected - it's not "mean" but...belittling. Just because I'm not already a breeder, that doesn't mean I'm clueless and irresponsible. Many people seem to act this way towards those interested in becoming a breeder. This is why I wonder how other breeders have gotten into it and why they seem to be on such high horses. Everyone has to start somewhere.
As for me, I already own a rescued dog and know about backyard breeders and puppy mills. I've seen the PETA videos and have read about it (more then I'd like) I know about the costs of buying show quality dog, plus all the possible vet costs for when the bitch whelps (if anything should go wrong) I know about genetics and passed down breed specific problems. I doubt many breeders, except for puppy mills, make much money once you subtract the costs of the parent dogs, feeding and vet bills all year round. I'm not looking to "get rich".
I chose Yorkies because they're my favorite breed, I like their temperaments and I find them beautiful. I have would like to think I know alot about them through spending time with them as well as reading about them on more then a superficial level. Basically I think they're the perfect dog, if there was such a thing. I'd like to keep the breed perfect as it is and wouldn't sell to anyone who didn't agree.
AnkhuIGs
7/22/2008 7:42:43 PM
Posts: 1904
Then your already breeding for the wrong reasons.

You have not once mentioned anything about the quality of breeding, health testing, or showing the dogs.

All you mention is....breeding...because you think they are cute dogs.

I call em as i see em.

Serena Galloway
IGCA rescue Colorado

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bobo
7/22/2008 8:49:25 PM
Posts: 3
In my next response I suppose I'll just write out my home address and life story as well then.
Basically all I wanted to know was if there was anything else I haven't done yet that I should be doing, and if anyone would like to share how they got into it. But that's ok
kendellwaltz
7/23/2008 7:12:27 AM
Posts: 409
Go talk to several yorky breeders. Find them through the breed club or at a dog show, and ask questions as to what they think is right and wrong with the breed in general and with their dogs in particular. A good breeder will be able to tell you what their dog's strong points are as well as where their faults lie.

Find someone to mentor and learn as much as you can before getting your own dogs to breed. When you do purchase a dog, get involved with conformation showing -- and even obedience, agility, rally, etc. Prove that your dog is worth breeding. After that (or during all of that) do your health testing. Hips/elbows/patellas, eyes, thyroid, hearts (if they are a concern for the breed), and the other issues that are of the most concern to your breed. DO NOT breed without health testing.

"This is why I wonder how other breeders have gotten into it and why they seem to be on such high horses. Everyone has to start somewhere."
It's all about how you start and where you start and why. We have all made mistakes in our breeding programs, all of us, but it's how we progressed beyond the mistakes that makes the most difference. The decision to spay/neuter everything you have because unfavorable health tests come back on offspring, or who knows what , is hard to make, but it's what defines a good breeder.

Keeping a breed as it is isn't enough, you have to want to improve the breed. You have to want to better the breed.
Sasquatchdogs
7/23/2008 8:18:21 AM
Posts: 112
It's great you are asking before you have already bred your dog! Don't give up on asking questions-we all started somewhere. You are considering taking on a HUGE responsiblity. Anyone can breed (as you know from being in the shelters) but it takes planning to be a responsible breeder.

Aside from the suggestions above I would also tell you that IMO you must be able to take back every single puppy you produce over the entire life of the dog. This must also be part of your contract. So, at your age just starting out in life-make sure you own your own home before you start any kind of breeding program. Make sure you are never in a city/county that has laws about how many dogs you can own. You may only have one or two of your own but what happens if you get several dogs back all at once? It can happen-so make sure you are always in a position to be able to take your puppies/dogs back. This way not one single puppy you produce will ever end up in the "system" that is already overloaded.

That being said I would again like to encourage you to find a reputable breeder that is willing to mentor you. Start by attending a few dog shows-or the yorkie nationals. Watch the dogs, find a dog/line that you like and talk to the owner. If you listen to them and they are willing to mentor, you can learn so much.

Reputable breeders can be a bit harsh. Just know that most of the time it's because they feel you haven't paid your dues and learned enough to be asking about breeding. A better approach is to learn a ton, start out with the best puppy you can afford from a reputable breeder. Your puppy should come from a long line of health tested dogs. Temperament testing or some other proof of trainability such as mentioned above (agility, obedience etc.) is also a good thing to look for. Then rely on your breeder to help you decide if your dog is a dog that can contribute to making the yorkie breed better. In time you will gain a reputation and respect
MaryK
7/24/2008 6:52:30 PM
Posts: 137
You don't actually mention if you have a yorkie?

If so, great -- learn how to groom it properly, take it to different classes, work with it, start to learn what makes them tick, try your hand at rally trials, obedience trials, agility, etc. Accomplish something with the dog you have even if it's just a Canine Good Citizen certificate. In other words, make this dog your "learner dog" and just forget about breeding for a while.

Join the national and local breed clubs - they usually have informative newsletters and newsgroups for their members.

Subscribe to any yorkie magazines that may be available.

As someone else said, try to attend shows and buy a catalogue so you can start making notes about who you've met, what you liked or didn't like about their dogs. Start to notice who produces quality yorkies and start to figure out who you might like to buy a quality yorkie from in the future. Make contact with established yorkie breeders and pick their brains. Ask a lot of questions - it's all a path to the end goal.

Buy any breed specific books you can find, learn the history of the breed. Study up on the health conditions in the breed. Start collecting pedigrees and start making notes on them about what you learn. Mark them up with health information and notes about faults and strengths, longevity, etc.

Take your time. Don't buy from the first breeder that is nice to you.

It's great that you're volunteering at the local SPCA but try to make contact with actual yorkie rescue. Perhaps you can foster or transport or something for them. This is another excellent way to learn about their behaviour, training methods, behaviour modification, etc. as well as just making you keep your mind on responsible breeding and how you don't want to be the sort of breeder that is producing the dogs you're seeing in rescue.
Nunuvit
7/25/2008 12:10:16 AM
Posts: 1
I understand your question and do feel that the "breeders" who answered are many years ahead of you. Don't feel intimidated. They did all start somewhere! I studied my breed like you have, spent many years in rescue, etc.. and all the other's things mentioned.

Then I bought two dogs..making sure they were from a good breeder I could rely on for information and help if needed. They were not expensive dogs, nor were they show quality. From there I learned and learned and learned, studied, listened, went to shows, (yes, did health checks) and eventually, "click" I started to see a specific line I liked and chased it down til I was able to find and purchase a "great sire" that's the secret..get yourself a great sire!

Now I breed show quality dogs. It took time, persistance, lots of hard work and tons of questions/answers. I selectively breed to compliment each dog.

Now, most will not agree with my post, but I believe they forget ...way back to when they started.
muddyfeet
7/28/2008 5:47:03 AM
Posts: 137
Well.. Perhaps a diffrent look at this question..
My recommendations is you have the book learning.. it is time to put in the foot work.. with the yourkie breeders in your area.. do work/foster for yorkie resuce.. get out and do some events with your current dogs.. even if they are not too competive.. you will be out and seen.. this is the only way a breeder will take you seriously.. and learn a lot.. try to find a breeder to work with, build a relationship with offer to help out.. pehaps ask if they have something to show.. this is what is needed.. when you have a idea what excactly what and who you like for dogs.. Then get your breeding dog.. not before.. you will be building your program on this breeders work before you.. so take time deciding who you want..

Why did I ever breed or get into breeding..

Well actually I have always enjoyed dogs, doing things with the dogs.. for this reason I found a breed that suited the activies I liked to dog..
With me this was Jr show, Obedience.. agility (just starting in this country)
So I found the Australian Shepherd.. At this time they where NOT AKC reconized so finding a breeder that would fit the "reputable" standard was hard.. I got my first aussies from a farm here in my area.. there where no other breeders at that time.. my second aussie was from a founding kennel in the breed.. that I found after spending a lot of time reaserching and competing with other dogs..
Neither where breeding dogs..
after several years of owning aussies,, multiple aussies I started to develop a destinct want.. Look, Working ability and temperement along with health.. so I looked long and hard for a foundation dog..so I could breed..to produce this dog I wanted.. because there where plenty of good breeders willing to not immediatly tell me no at this point.. I was able to get a lovely dog,, and also get some lessons on health in the breed.. IE they where willling to TELL me about their dogs and lines.. so I learned that looking at pedigrees for health is good.. but there is a lot more information that needs to be collected.. by talking, calls that cannot be seen on a pedigree.. My first one DID not work out.. she died at 12 but for various reason breding her was not a option.. but it did keep me active in the breed.. keep learning..
For me I was already hooked on the breed.. been involved for a long time.. But there came a time that my specific wants could not be filled by another breeder.. so yes we decided to breed..this dog.. call it our own..
This is why we breed..
Amanda
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